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Mar 3, 2005 10:18:13 GMT -8
Post by Xtanius~*DS*~[PK] on Mar 3, 2005 10:18:13 GMT -8
remind me never to fuck with hammerhead.
that three second kill thing almost made me puke.
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Mar 3, 2005 12:15:32 GMT -8
Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 3, 2005 12:15:32 GMT -8
Don't worry X, I won't do it to you. It is a military technique for taking out a sentry or someone else quietly behind.
Here is how it goes:
1. Sneak up on enemy from behind.
2. With your weak hand, reach around enemy, close to body and grab the jaw, covering the mouth as you do so.
3. Pull the jaw violently around to your weakside, while pulling back, causing the enemy to lose balance and fall back againt you.
4. With your strong (knife hand), thrust the knife up at a 45 degree angle, under the back of the skull, to the right of the spine, as far as if can go. If you do this when pulling the enemy back, you add power to your thrust.
5. As the knife enters the cranial cavity, twist the knife to open the wound and jerk the handle violenly side to side, severing nerve connections and scrambling the brain.
6. When the enemy goes slack, pull hard with your left hand, spinning your enemy off your left leg, gravity and a slight backward pulling motion will extract your knife.
7. Wipe knive on bottom of pant leg, resheath and continue with mission.
If done correctly, it take less than three seconds to fully kill someone and can be all over in less than 1.5 seconds. This technique allows the victim to die quickly, almost painlessly, and with minimal sound. No blood gurgling like you get from a knife slash across the throat, which by the way, does not instantly kill someone and they could actually take a few minutes to die, struggling the whole time and making all sorts of racket. Plus the excessive blood may cause you to lose your grib and reliniquish positive control.
I haven't used it yet, but I have practiced it through out my career.
- HH
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Mar 3, 2005 13:00:39 GMT -8
Post by Xtanius~*DS*~[PK] on Mar 3, 2005 13:00:39 GMT -8
i just puked on my shoelaces. DAMMIT
i wish i knew how to do shit like that.
Gees.
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Mar 3, 2005 13:05:07 GMT -8
Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 3, 2005 13:05:07 GMT -8
Join the military X, we teach you all sorts of good stuff, from surviving in a chemical, nuclear and biologically contaminated area to surviving your first prostitute! All good stuff!
- HH
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Mar 3, 2005 13:20:17 GMT -8
Post by Xtanius~*DS*~[PK] on Mar 3, 2005 13:20:17 GMT -8
haha! me and the military would never mix. I'm way to selfish to be taking orders from some 20 year old punk who has nothing better to do with his day than yell in my face and tell me what a loser i am....i mean, come on...i already know!
I have tons and tons of respect for all of you military blokes...in fact, some of my very best friends are in the military and even S.F. But me? no, i write and record scores of music, teach guitar lessons, play video games, and eat a lot.
Plus, I'd look pretty dumb with a crew cut.
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Mar 3, 2005 13:54:33 GMT -8
Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 3, 2005 13:54:33 GMT -8
I play guitar too and was in a cover band years ago. I'm no great guitar player, but I can bang power chords all day long and do a fair imitation of some songs.
- HH
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Mar 3, 2005 17:25:58 GMT -8
Post by X S U R G E X DS X on Mar 3, 2005 17:25:58 GMT -8
However, as inexperienced to life as i may be, I certainly would not want to be walking with my girlfriend from a bar one night and end up face to face with a situation I can't handle. Agreed that most of the time those situations are avoidable...but in the rare occurance that I am nose to nose with a man who wishes her or me harm, I would like to think that I would be ready...and ARMED to protect us. So, as respectable as some of your views on weapons are, I gotta agree with HH... If you understand the potential dangers of carrying, and respect your weapon, you cannot be more safe. Go ahead...steal my wallet... I am not against weapons but i am against when people say i am here to protect myself with it. I dont think it should be against the law to own guns but i do think that if you own a sertin gun, a sertin class must be taken or else you lose your gun. Example of X sittution. There can only be 2 outcome of this sittution if the guy is really a criminal. X walks his GF in a street at night. A bad come comes up and points a gun into both of them or X head. X has his "protection" pistol. At this moment he is in though sittuion. He gun is USE-LESS! What should he do? 1. If he draws the gun, there is a HIGH possabillity there will be a gun fight between X and Enemy and one will go down. (enemy has advantage since his gun is already drawn) 2. X gives the wallet away and the enemy runs away. (of course leaving X's protection pistol point less) = My prodection = I think since there is a girl involed, I prodect that # 1. I think that X wil draw his gun and they would get in a gun fight because there is a 3erd person involed, "woman" Dont forget, men like to look the best and toughest against woman, its a man thing.. I know if i was in that sittution, i most likly would give up my wallet and than when he gets it i would draw my gun. But hey, you dont think striaght when your in that sittution is most likly, i would whip out my gun and start shooting that baster's leggs out. ------------------------------------------------------------------- My point, If X didnt have a gun, he would of just gaved up his wallet but at least nobody would die. Might get injured but no death. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Funny thing, long time ago my brother got out of club with his freinds. A group of white boys drove by and yelled out "fucking russian's" while fliping them off and spiting on them. So my brother didnt want to feel down since he had girls by him.... he and his friend jump in a car and follow them forcing them to pull over at a local resteraunt. My brother came out running of his car to the black SUV. A guy comes out talking sh** with his gun. My brother got in his face with the gun on his forehead. My brother is sICO! He doesnt THINK! If someone gives him shit, he doesnt care, he will fight you no matter what. He doesnt care about his life, plain and simple. He has no kids or wife to worry about, he is a party animal but is knowen as "friday nights fights" around club's. Anywho, my brother stood there with gun pointed at him and his friends back at the car. My brother was still talking shit to this guy. He was forceing him to pull the trigger. He wouldnt pull the trigger, so my brother tackled him and started beating the shit out of him. Another white boy came running from SUV and got my brother off him than they both ran into the SUV and started driving away. My brother ran after them and pulled one of the guys out through the window and kept hitting him. Than they herd cops coming, so then everyone split up from then on. Of course there where lots of blood everywhere. ---------------------------------------------------------------- My brother is 200 pounds and works out just as much as he drinks! So he doesnt take shit from nobody. My point is, you can defeand yourself if you just man up a bit. you dont need a gun, not always. Image if my brother had a gun? there would be murder's and shot's fired for sure because they are a banch of 30 year old party animals who dont care about life.
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Mar 3, 2005 20:15:50 GMT -8
Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 3, 2005 20:15:50 GMT -8
It is a tough situation to second guess without being there. I don't recommend taking guns to social settings, but as a cop, I normally have one with me wherever I go.
One thing you should learn is a few techniques to take a gun away. I had to use one of those techniques once and it worked great, broke two of the guns fingers in the process. I guess I could have slapped his gun away and shot him, but when the situation happens, you just gotta react.
Guns are for the mature, the trained, and those who possess the judgement to use them intelligently. If you don't pass those three tests, stick to trying to talk your way out of it.
- HH
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Mar 4, 2005 1:56:41 GMT -8
Post by DateRIF~*DS*~ on Mar 4, 2005 1:56:41 GMT -8
Roger. See Surge your brother is the exact example of the person who should not have a gun. He clearly lacks self control, and that is paramount with gun ownership. I think when they find a good way to figure out who can actually responsibly own a gun, we also have a way to determine the weak links in our society. You should get your brother into Brazilian Ju Jitsu... he could really fuck some people up hand to hand. Not to sure if HH took it but most of the rangers and SF here had it as a requisite. You ever see the movie with Meg Ryan and RUssell Crow where Russell is the guy saving Megs kidnapped husband. Anyway he does the 3 second kill in that movie as far as grabbing the guy but then he tries to saw the guys head off from the trachea. He gargles and shoots off some rounds... things get ugly from there. Also Russell just falls over with the guy because he fuxored the whole situation. LMAO. That movie was funny. Here is a video of one of the Masters of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: www.compfused.com/directlink/652/The Gracies are world renowned for their technique. As you can see it is all about brawling with grace and technique.
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Mar 4, 2005 6:03:55 GMT -8
Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 4, 2005 6:03:55 GMT -8
Great fighting. That is why I carry a concealed blade. When they get in close to you, and it is real life or death, the blade comes out and three quick cuts will get any ground fighter off of you! Of course, you can't do that to friends in your living room!
- HH
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Mar 4, 2005 6:23:07 GMT -8
Post by DateRIF~*DS*~ on Mar 4, 2005 6:23:07 GMT -8
Well you could, but usually they are not ur friends after that. We always go for the crotch shots with the backside of the blade just messing around. Man that will throw the nugs back unlike any rollercoaster. LMAO. But yeah knives and collapsable batons are very good things to learn to use. Man being in Iraq I have learned so much crap, can you check collapsable batons with ur luggage? I definitely need to get one.
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Mar 4, 2005 7:29:52 GMT -8
Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 4, 2005 7:29:52 GMT -8
You probably need need to go to TSA.GOV or some place like that to find out. Razors and four inch straight pins also work well, I prefer the straight pin because there is less blood on me!
- HH
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Mar 4, 2005 7:48:30 GMT -8
Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 4, 2005 7:48:30 GMT -8
Here's my answer to life's little problems. I always liked Kimber, because straight out of the box, they perform well and reliability is flawless. I use Federal Hydroshocks, which have maximum pentration and expansion. - HH
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Mar 4, 2005 15:01:44 GMT -8
Post by Xtanius~*DS*~[PK] on Mar 4, 2005 15:01:44 GMT -8
is that a .9mm or a .45?
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Mar 4, 2005 22:01:20 GMT -8
Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 4, 2005 22:01:20 GMT -8
That would be a .45 Cal Bro. I have to 9mms, my M11 (P228 Sig Sauer) Government issued gun and my own personal Sig Sauer 226, which is the big brother to the M11. Other than that, I shoot big guns, .40 S&W, .45 Cal, or at least Magnums, like my S&W Model 19 .357.
- HH
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