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Post by DateRIF~*DS*~ on Mar 20, 2007 8:30:02 GMT -8
Yes, the cliche pirate bs. That is what makes the movie so damn comical.
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Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 21, 2007 7:10:44 GMT -8
Date, why don't you pull another tour in Iraq from Oct 07 to Oct 08? We could have fun drinking near beer, sweating our balls off and making fun of the rag heads!
- HH
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Post by DateRIF~*DS*~ on Mar 21, 2007 22:44:42 GMT -8
Funny you should ask. I was giving some thought to that, my lease is up end of September so the timing would be perfect. Only thing holding me here is my company but that shit can change in a hurry. F-n ragheads.
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Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 22, 2007 3:45:24 GMT -8
Well, let me know if you decide to do a tour.
- HH
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Post by X S U R G E X DS X on Mar 22, 2007 9:33:59 GMT -8
It would be freaking tight if you can serve our country with-out signing a prison like contract with uncle sam. It would be cool if you can just go to the battlefields of IRAQ with no stupid boot-camps and training... You just sign a paper saying your risking your life and its nobody's fault bla bla bla... Then of course, you get paid while your down their.
Image, just out of the blue i wanna go help out the troops for about 2-3 weeks. I fly down their, make some $$$ and kick it with the troops for a bit... Then when i get board and made enough $$$ just fly back with no problems or idiot uncle sam after me. I know i would do that for a fact.
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Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 22, 2007 11:56:57 GMT -8
Please Surge! No offense, I know you are a tough guy and all, but without the training, Iraq would eat you alive brother! Without the training it would crack your thin egg shell and would fry your ass on the hot sand! You just can't walk into a combat situation with no training and think you are going to come out unscathed. Either you are dead, maimed or emotionally scarred for life. Hell, even with the best training in the world, many soldiers do not come back or if they do, they are certainly not the same as when the left. War should be fought by those trained to fight it!
- HH
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Post by DateRIF~*DS*~ on Mar 22, 2007 15:36:40 GMT -8
That is true HH, takes a special kind of person to handle pro-longed exposure. But all you need to do Surge is get a clearance and some contacts, then you can be like me. "Hey man, you need an IT guy over there?" "Always man, when can you get here?"
I have a feeling with all the scrutiny lately that may not be the case anymore but my old bosses and co-workers know I am squared away and some jackass is always screwing up for me to take their place.
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Post by X S U R G E X DS X on Mar 22, 2007 16:40:03 GMT -8
Please Surge! No offense, I know you are a tough guy and all, but without the training, Iraq would eat you alive brother! Without the training it would crack your thin egg shell and would fry your ass on the hot sand! You just can't walk into a combat situation with no training and think you are going to come out unscathed. Either you are dead, maimed or emotionally scarred for life. Hell, even with the best training in the world, many soldiers do not come back or if they do, they are certainly not the same as when the left. War should be fought by those trained to fight it! - HH Man uncle sam has pull in a bunch of bullshit in your head bro. Back in the day, WOMEN where fighting during WW2 and you think the russian really trained them? Hell they didnt have enough money to buy everyone weapons or shoes. Don't give me that shit, the german's were one of the hardest and tuffest enemys this world has ever seen and will see for a long time. (armys that use guns and Rockets that is) SNAP OUT OF IT! We are all humans, training or no training if it aint your time, it aint your time. If it is, it doesnt matter how much training you get.
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Post by Phantom~*DS*~ on Mar 22, 2007 20:28:13 GMT -8
Yeah, but if you spend years training to be the best, it's so you'll know that the man next to you in combat will also be the best! Not some jackhole who was playing computer games a week ago! If just anyone could go over there and pick up a gun you could have psychos killing our own troops. SNAP OUT OF IT!
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Post by HAMMERHEAD~*DS*~ on Mar 23, 2007 5:40:55 GMT -8
SNAP OUT OF IT SURGE! I don't know why we keep saying it but it is funny!
My brother, there is a huge difference in the quality of the individual when you compare the WWII generation to today's generation.
Pound for pound, the WWII generation were probably twice as tough as we are, if not more. They had tough, hard, back-breaking manual labor jobs, getting up before dawn and working all day. They lived off the land, growing and raising what they needed to eat. If they needed something they built it, and if it broke, they fixed it, because they did not have to money to replace it. They knew about guns and how to handle them, as they were both a source of food and protection. Their rough lives made them hard, tough and fiercely independent.
Our lives today are full of central AC/Heating, computers, cars, telephones, and a wide spectrum of convienance items. Sure, some of these things were around back then, but only for the rich. You think a Russian peasant girl awoke each morning to an alarm clock set on easy listening music, put on her microfiber fleece and gortex boots, microwaved some hot pockets for breakfast and then spent the day on an airconditioned tractor tilling the fields? She'd be lucky if she did not have to go and milk the cows first and had a horse or donkey to pull the till.
Yes, you are probably a tough guy surge and I know you bust your ass doing hard work, but you are still a product of today's society. You have heat and AC in your house, so you are rarely miserable due to heat or cold. You pick up the phone and talk to anyone in the world whenever you want, so you don't have to walk 5 miles to your neighbor's house just to have a conversation. You go to your Supermarket and get pre-prepared food any time you want, so you do not farm or raise livestock. If you feel dirty, you can hop into a shower and be clean in 5 minutes, so you do not have to go and pump water, heat it on wood stove and then carry it over to a cast iron tub. Like it or not, due to modern convienances, you are not as tough, mentally or physically, then your relatives from your grandfather's generation.
This is why you need to be trained and conditioned for battle. You need to be brought up to a level where you have a reasonable excpectation you can endure the stress and hardship of war and all the miserable conditions that go along with it. This is no slam on you Surge, it is just the nature of our lives today.
- HH
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Post by Knowledge on Mar 23, 2007 6:58:16 GMT -8
I agree with HH, I mean look at the quality of products our industry tends to put out today, look at how many people build/fix their own stuff, we've gone from the "it aint done right till you do it" to the "I'm to freaking busy or tired to do it, wheres the damn yellow pages?" Yes this is a nice attitude in one part casue it helps promote a whole field of jobs for people to fill in but on the other hand are u always happy with what you hear about private repair companies, some out there are wonderful and others just do it to get it done, it aint theres, and if it breaks they gotta pay u to come back again =P
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Post by X S U R G E X DS X on Mar 23, 2007 21:22:45 GMT -8
HH you just dont know me bro... I still work on gardens, I work out like a horse after my Iron job. Im only 5"10 and can dunk the ball as long as i can pawm it. When i want something, i make it happen. If i fail, i keep fighting for a break through. I am not american, i am not saying americans are bad. I am Ukrainian and before i came down here, i lived off what we grew just like you said. Ukraine was 20 years behind american until now days, they finally cought up. In high school i was only 110 pounds as a junior and my max bench was 80 pounds. AFter leaving high school i set a school record for abs wheel (227) which most people cant do past 20-25. My bench was at 265, my hand clean was at 375 my squats were at 425. My new weight and still same wight is 175-180. Thats a work horse for ya... So all the bullshit you listed "pussy cooking and pussy fixer uper" Thats YOU or your fellow friends... Heck even my TRUCK was recked when i bought it and its all fixed.. I swapted engines before, tranmissions you name it.. I snowboard, i shoot guns, i play basketball, played semi pro football for 2 years, i am quick, run a 40 yard dash in 4.5 seconds. Did i mentioned before i started lifting i couldnt even touch the net on the hoop now i can dunk? Did i also mentioned that my daddy and mommy have NEVER EVER bought me anything since i was 14 because i always worked my ass off for my own money so the only thing they bought me were b-day presents.... When i paint-ball, for some reason I always win. Even when we went 2vs2 my buddy donny vs 2 phantoms brothers Zac and Jere. Jere played after getting all the training. Jere got donnny, then i got zac... Then i got Jere. Its not just one game, theirs been games at the barn, woods, and accross the feilds where a creak breaks to bases up and for some reason i always ended up getting Jere and zac the two best paint ballers. Of course Zac would get me back some times, but rarely. All i am trying to say is I know what i got. .. I think the reason why i win battles is because i FORCE myself to think that my life is in danger instead of just paint hitting you. Button line, I rock, you suck, and you cant hang ... and oh ya, i probbally been through way more then you have or will ever have. Sorry but i take it personally when somebody calls me a regular foe. ....and i still think training or no training, when theirs bullets flying, EVERYONE stands the same chance because you just never know... Who would have thought that football star would have be shot and killed by his own? Who would have thought Jere would go down in a stupid ass humvee? I didnt even sweat it, i knew he would be alright cuz i loved him like a brother. Sometimes i still dont belieave hes gone even though me and my woman cryed on his casket.
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Post by DateRIF~*DS*~ on Mar 23, 2007 21:53:54 GMT -8
HH is correct from a genetic perspective and you are right that the conditioning is important. What HH left out is what you learn in training. You know how we were the best in DF2 because we practiced every week, even twice a week, so that way we always knew what everyone was doing. Well the army is the same way, they have a system and practice it in all conditions. That is why you can run into a ranger and know how he will move and shoot. Trust me, I have been in that exact position where my knowledge did not match the guy I was having to run with so we had to hold back a bit. When bullets are flying it makes all of the difference. Now I will agree with you, in a war zone when mortars and IEDs go off at seemingly random intervals, then the playing field is open but that is also where good intelligence work can help slightly. The best lesson I ever learned "life is not fair." I have no pitty for people that complain about shit not being fair. That is life brother, how we handle it is who we are. And in that respect you are right, all the training in the world and shit still happens, just gotta handle it best we can.
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Post by Knowledge on Mar 23, 2007 22:04:12 GMT -8
yea i find your attitude on training kinda odd considering how much you push practice, I mean I'm all for keeping the blade sharp but sometimes I think you take it a bit overboard hehe, and now your saying its all luck of the draw?
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Post by X S U R G E X DS X on Mar 23, 2007 22:31:07 GMT -8
ok... Do i need to quote myself or something? Did i say i wanna go to IRAQ and come back with 100 kills and as superhero? Or did I clearly say that i wanted to go to IRAQ to make some MONEY by kicking it with the troops and doing some patrols with them... I didnt say anything about MISSIONS of distruction or anything like that did i? Did i say i wanted to drive a tank during battle, control a humvee? NO! I just said it would be nice to sign a peiace of paper to go help the troops and if you get hit by a sniper out of the blue, its nobodys fault but yours...
As for practice, OF COURSE! I LOVE IT! you know it... Buts its a total differnt ball game. We practice because we have a FOR SURE fight coming or a battle. We practie shooting and tactics... I didnt say i wanted to go to IRAQ to practice shooting and my tactics so i can do a mission all in 2 weeks while i am down their did i?
I just said it would be nice to go help the troops while getting paid. .... Example... at the base, running patrols and other things... and if a fight breaks out, or base gets attacked, thats why you signed the papers earlyer.. Your not a main guy, a driver or somebody who has responsiablity.. Your their for TWO WEEKS, your a nobody... Just a guy who fought amoung the troops.
I know to fight a long war, you need long time training. But this was a no contract deal, just a 2 week thing or so. You would be restricted to what you can do but you would be aollowed to carry a m-16.
Silly rabbits, why do you take me for a fool ;D
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